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My master doesn't give me affection at all because "he doesn't know what to do" and all I want is a pet or a cuddle from him and yet I haven't gotten anything like that for months. Is there anything that you masters' do to show that you love your kitties with all your heart? Master and I need help.


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Affection is rather necessary to maintain a healthy relationship. Unless of course, you're some form of alien life that...oh sorry for that second sentence, was watching Star Trek, Next Gen..

People-pets and animal-pets definately require affection. Otherwise, they turn on you. QED.

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What kinds of things do you do to show your kitty affection though? Maybe I will has ideas for Master...

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There is always the old and easy petting and stroking.

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Yeah, I mention that to Master but he never does it, it makes me a sad kitty, what other kinds of things do you guys do to show affection?

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One thing you could try is guiding his hand a bit. Like hold his hand and then move it to pet you.

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This kitty definitely loves attention and affection. Sometimes when Sir is on the computer, I'll plop myself down on his lap and snuggle against him. Or when we're laying in bed, I just curl up against him. I pretty much just cling to him until I feel like I've gotten the attention and affection I need =^.^=
Some times I'll even grab his hand and rub it in circles on my tummy until he gets the hint that I want a tummy rub.
And Sir usually scratches and pets through my hair, or scratches my back (which I absolutely love). He even makes it a point to come over and bug...I mean, give me attention when I've been a bit too absorbed on my laptop =^.^= Which usually just consists of him hugging me and petting through my hair.

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That is a good idea, Master is coming home after work so then I can try it. What I really want from Master is to play with my hair or pet me, or play with me. Maybe I can get Master to at least pet me tonight.

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If your Master/Owner isn't petting you for some reason, or giving you affection, the only thing I can suggest is to expirament. Maybe you could encourage or start things off by cuddling up next to him... tell him you need a petting or even a massage.

I annoy my kitty all the time with random petting, cuddling and affection... all it takes is doing it, there isn't anything to know HOW to do.

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I agree with what's already been said, for the most part.

But also, sometimes if Master is wrapped up in something, I'll crawl over to him on all fours, and give him a "kitty head butt", or even just rub up against his legs to let him know that I need some attention. :)

Usually it works for me.

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Ok, so last night Master came over and it was ok. Master was sitting on the couch and I laid my head on his lap. He put his arm on my shoulder but I moved it to my head. He started petting and I was loving it so I curled up even more against him. Then he stopped and took his hand away and it was the end. It was a good break through, but it made me sad that he did it for only a few minutes. I got off him and curled up in the other chair and fell asleep. That was how it went. Depressed kitty in the end.

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Affection is very needed in any relationship. It's part of the glue that binds two together.
If you're Owner is unable, or unwilling to give you that much needed attention, I guess the real question is....is he worth it? Are you going to be okay with that fact that he won't for one reason or another give you the attention and affection that you need and desire. Its up to you if it's a relationship that you want to continue with, and I suggest thinking long and hard about it, and having a very serous discussion about it with him.

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Master and I have had serious talks about us and if we are too young to be engaged, but I love Master more then anything, and am more then willing to do anything to keep Master. There are lots of sacrifices that I have made in order to make Master happy. And I'm sure with time and more practice from both of us, things will be a lot better for us. I have hope.

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Don't forget that your needs are not moot when you're trying to make your Master happy. I know typically making somebody you love happy makes you happy, but you have to think about yourself once in a while. Are you sure he knows just how sad it makes you when he doesn't pet you? Its important, after all.

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I tell him that it would mean a lot to me if he would play with me or pet me but he just keeps telling me that he doesn't know what to do. But when ever real kitties come around he always plays with them and pets them and lets them sit on his lap, but when I try to do it, he tells me that he doesn't know what to do. Master is still kind of new at all of this so I just want to give him time to adjust to it all.

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There's a difference between "doesn't know what to do" and "doesn't want to do" ... If he can show affection to other kitties but denies you I think the question Saberrah asked is a good one. People show you who they are in how they behave and treat you. When someone shows you.. well it's a good idea to believe them...

*licks her paw....smooths her fur down and wanders out in the garden to watch the birds...* (only 'watching'.... promise... :P)

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I think it's only because Master is still new at this and its a little "strange" I guess one could say, but I know fer sure that Master will get better and so will I. =^.^=

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he is a guy and he is nervous about what it might lead to animals and humans are diffrent alot diffrent they are easier to show effection to cause they are impossible to tick off they always forgive you he is afriad of doing somthign stupid and ruining it for you and him both he loves you to death im sure and i know you love him from what you say its hard for me to show affection to my Mistress cause i am a kitten but im also a guy im afraid of somthign leading to somthing and me ****ing everything up and i loose her she knows it is really easy to get me yiffy (horny) very easy if you know the right spots how to rub them and no i dont mean me crotch well now im going off topic but to rap this up i would talk with him about it not as a pet but as his girlfriend i know when you boil it down that is what it is bf and gf with collars and leashes and always remeber what i say you have the boobs you have the power

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he is a guy and he is nervous about what it might lead to animals and humans are diffrent alot diffrent they are easier to show effection to cause they are impossible to tick off they always forgive you he is afriad of doing somthign stupid and ruining it for you and him both he loves you to death im sure and i know you love him from what you say its hard for me to show affection to my Mistress cause i am a kitten but im also a guy im afraid of somthign leading to somthing and me ****ing everything up and i loose her she knows it is really easy to get me yiffy (horny) very easy if you know the right spots how to rub them and no i dont mean me crotch well now im going off topic but to rap this up i would talk with him about it not as a pet but as his girlfriend i know when you boil it down that is what it is bf and gf with collars and leashes and always remeber what i say you have the boobs you have the power




Actually I will have to disagree with you Dark,


  It's quite easy for a human to show affection, if he truly wishes to. Even the simplest of animals respond and can show affection in turn. You remove every intelligent thought, every bit of wisdom, and philosophy from us.

There is three basic needs a animal/human needs.


Love, food, shelter.


So I have to agree with Paw and Saberrah, 'Kisa'.  If your Master continues to say "I don't know what to do." And doesn't bother to learn 'what to do'.


I think there is more of a problem then just inexperience. When someone doesn't know something, and they want to know, they learn.


If after a few hints he just doen't respond, you may want to have a serious talk about the future of your relationship.


Simply because your in a BDSM relationship, doesn't mean it has to be lacking out of all the things a normal relationship has too.


Love and affection included, without those things, no relationship (Unless the slave is broken, and simply has become a doormat). Can last without those things.

 



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Yeah, I know what you mean. Master and I, as people and not as BDSM fanatics, we had a break down. There are just a lot of issues that we are dealing with and affection and lack-there-of was brought up, in my last relationship I was abused and raped very badly and never recieved the love and affection I really needed. I grew up sitting in shadows watching other kids play and never being invited to play with them. I've always been ignored and I finally have the most wonderful person I could ask for, and it seems like no matter what I do, nothing seems to be "good enough". He says that he just isn't good at showing how he feels and that he does appreciate all of the things I do for him, but it just doesn't seem like it. We've decided to take a step back from the kittenplay thing and get our bigger concerns taken care of. I may not be on for a while, but I'm very glad that you all have been there with responses to help us and it's all very much appreciated. =^_^=

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Just checking up on how things are going. Got to read through everything. As a guy and as a Dom I truely still hold true to affection and love. If a guy can get over the 'Ugh I make fire' Stage in there personality of being comfortable and just open up then petting loving and cuddling become so easy! I could spend everyday cuddling and laying around wiff my kitty, I have my 'guy' moments but there at least still cute. I suggest try giving him that affection, when he gets used to you doing it then he may be more inclined to doing it back. At least if anything doing it that way and showing him how to do it can rule out the *sorry* excuse that he doesn't know how. But keep us up to date, I'm glad you both can talk about those issues. Don't ever break the lines of communication that's more important in a d/s enviroment than anything else, even more so in a relationship. You got big kitty ears and he at least has ears *I hope* use them often!

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*sighs* Ok, so this is what's going down. Master and I are back in action!! I'm so excited! I've been reading this manga (japanese comics) called Absolute Boyfriend, and it is probably the cutest manga ever! It's about this girl who has had some hard times with love and boys, when she runs into a strange guy who gives her a disk. She pops the disc in her computer and finds that it's an online catalog signs up for a free trial for the Nightly Lover "figure" which is delivered the very next day. He was created only to please her in every single way and it's the greatest manga ever. I am making Master read it to me and I think some of the kindness and affection and love that Night gives to Riiko is rubbing off on him and I'm absolutely loving it. I just thought that I would let you all know that Master and I are on the mend =^_^=

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YAY KISA *does a happy kitty wiggle dance of joy* interesting tactic! I luff it =^.^= well I'm definatly glad everything is doing better I actually was quite worried about you x.x my thoughts are definatly still with you

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*does the happy kitty wiggle dance of joy as well* And now with the new year, I hope things only get better from here. =^.^=

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No you can't do the happy kitty wiggle dance of joy that's MINE everyone else does the 'Not so sad feline jirating rythic movment of excitement'

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AHHH! *squeals and tackles Kisa; hugs tightly as she throws a wad of paper at Remmy* She can do whatever friggin' dance she wants! xD

I'm so happy for yooooouuuu!!! ^.^!

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*huggles Miss Joli* I'm so happy too! Today, Master and I are going to Wal*Mart to look at the fishies, and I might get one! Jeebus, pretty soon I'll be running a zoo! My family and I have a dog, a cat, a rat, a bunny, and possibly soon a fishie! But I love animals so its awesome! I'm sorry, I didn't know that I couldn't do the happy wiggle dance thing.... *swishes tail back and forth and raises paws* yay for dance...

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Well back up to the normal topic.

While it is annoying and will (likely) get you in trouble with your master do what ever real cat (felinis domesticus) does, misbehave. When you want attention interupt whatever he's doing and put yourself in his way. If he's playing on the computer climb into his lap and snuggle against him.

When he gets upset about it tell him you want attention. Be very careful though about how you go about pushing the issue. You do need to let him know you need affection.

I'm usually rather absent-minded, and a pet can tell me they want attention sometimes every so often and I won't really notice. But when she, like My kitty (loki... he's awesome btw, and crazy) pushes themselves into my center of attention, it reminds me to pay attention to my needy little kitten.

I will warn you though, this WILL get you in trouble the first time you do it. But just look cute, whimper, and tell him "I just want my master to pay attention to me (or his kitty/kitten/puppy etc)"
Be a spoiled kitty, I find it adorable, and if they are with a kitty/puppy etc.... so will they.

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if i did that, master would get VERY pissed. and i've been asking him for more attention too. he's very active, and would rather play video games or run around than cuddle. it kind of upsets me, because even though we live fairly close together, i'm away for extended periods for school, so we don't get to spend much time together. when we get that chance, i'd rather spend that time cuddling than watching him play call of duty or mario 64.

beside that, he doesn't really like the idea of me as a housecat. he'd prefer a big cat, but he plays with my pet cats whenever he visits my house. i think he just doesn't know how to react to it, or he's scared to acknowledge that, hey, maybe it's true, that's what she really wants.

we made a little bit of progress on it when he took me shopping for ears (we didn't get them, because we tried to find dental fit fangs, then we had a play to go to) and when he ordered my collar (i should get it before i have to leave!)

so i feel your pain. i wish you and your master the best!

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Master told me the other day that we spend to much time together. He told me that he needs time by himself so he can play his games. I told him that it bothers me when he plays his games because he will spend 4-6 hours playing and not give me attention. I think I just have to accept the fact that I won't get the attention I need from him. Maybe I'll just be a feral cat and have no one...

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how much time is too much?
I assume somebody works.... that's 8 hours of your day
I know you both sleep... that's another 8 hours (perhaps a little less)

That only leaves 8 hours (give or take a few for less sleep, travel, meal times, etc.)


Then again... maybe I'm just too picky.

Personally, I don't think I could be with a Master that doesn't work hard to make sure my needs are taken care of. Especially if I'm doing everything possible and working very hard to make sure that I have pleased him in every way possible. An unhappy slave will not produce the desired results.

slave's needs
Master's needs
Master's wants
slave's wants

Why should a slave's needs come first? Well, because like children, we are now the responsibility of our Master's. Like a child's needs comes before your own, a slave's needs must be met by the Master. Although, sometimes, we only 'want' what we think we 'need', but again our Masters can tell. However, I don't think yours is a 'want', but a definite 'need'. Most slaves/subs/pets require attention.

Perhaps your Master is just not ready to be a Master? Or perhaps he just doesn't want to be the Master you need? Or perhaps he just doesn't understand how much you 'need' this?

I wish I knew what to tell you, sweetie.

(p.s. I know you're not a slave, either. I was just using that as a reference point)

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It's ok, maybe I should make Master read this thread so he can see how I really feel about all of this? Maybe I will do that tomorrow. We will sit down and I will show him all of this and all of the hard work I have put into the site and what it means to me. Maybe that will help

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Okays, I have to say this cause...you're just making me want to pounce you and never let go! Your situation is just too sad. YOU DESERVE BETTER! You deserve to be given affection and snuggles. You deserve to be TRULY LOVED. You deserve to be encouraged to grow as a pet and as a woman. You deserve someone to notice you. You deserve to have your needs fulfilled! You deserve to know that you can tell your partner anything and everything without fear of rejection or punishment. You deserve to be pampered! You deserve a HEALTHY and HAPPY RELATIONSHIP with a MAN that TREASURES YOU!
You're not getting any of that. Yes, it IS right to be selfish in this. This is your heart that is getting damaged. Whether he reads this thread or not, I do believe it would be healthier and better for you to find someone who CAN give you everything you need, because it's what you DESERVE!
*Huggles* I know the decision is ultimately yours, but you have been so sad for quite a long time now. I think it's time you truly thought of yourself.


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I couldn't agree more with Saberrah. Particularly after having gone through an extremely similar situation. (For those of you long-time members, this isnt LaLa I'm talking about) After we'd been together seven years, we got to the point far worse than yours and still I tried to make things work out. Five years after we broke up I still feel a horrible pain. I still have troubles forming relationships because of how things ended between Evin and I. Don't repeat my mistakes and certainly don't try and edure what I went through.
Its completely your decision. But if I had to go through that again, I know which choice I'd make.

If you really want to know what all happened, I'll PM you.

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What they said

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i concur. you're so sweet, hon, and you really deserve someone who can appreciate that. whether it's this master or, if need be, another, everyone here wants you to be happy.

focus a little while on what makes you happy--hang out with friends, play games, read a book, write a little story. be happy for yourself, not just for him. and when you find that, maybe he'll stop and appreciate everything you've done for yourself.

you don't deserve to get pushed away like he seems to have been doing from what i've read, you DO deserve to get pulled in close and be given the attention a wonderful girl like you needs.

best of luck, hon, from a kitty in a similar situation. if you have any questions for me, you're welcome to pm me, and i'll be more than happy to help however i can.

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Do you really want to waste your time on a guy who'd rather PLAY GAMES than pay attention to you, sweetie?

He's acting like an immature jerk. You need a MAN, not a frat boy!

In any case, do what you must, but please, PLEEEEASE don't waste your potential on someone who's not willing/able to give you what you want and need. :(

Take care of yourself, hon. *hugs*

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Wow... and I thought my response was dick. Joli... You're my wonder woman.

Take it out of the s&M context and look at it that way and she's dead on. My belief is that a good relationship is built before a good Pet-play/s&M etc is. So I agree with that. One's in character one's not.

Its yoru choice how to take it. But frankly I agree with Joli. Look at it from a dating standpoint and not a pet standpoint. If you want to stay in a pet standpoint mine helps. However you need to talk to him. Even outside of a pet standpoint ignoring your mate is unacceptable.

I know I'm new here but you seem far to lovely and funloving and kind to be ignored like that. To ignore your significant other for video games is just pathetic and that's coming from a gamer.



P.S. I know I come off strong.... I don't mean to be as GRR as I'm sounding.

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As much as he is ignoring of me, Master is nothing compared to my last relationship. Master's behaviour towards me is as harmless as a blade of grass. My last relationship started out wonderful. He told me all of the wonderful things I needed to hear, he was sweet to me, took me out to eat, everything, that was the first year, and then everything went downhill. He became very abusive and raped me multiple times. That went on for two years. He told me every day that I was worthless, and that I was only good for sex and gas money. I got so depressed that I had been hospitalized because I attempted to end my life. I never left the house after that.

A few months after we moved into our new house a family moved in behind us. We found out that the mom ran day care and it was perfect because my brother had just been born and I was still not old enough to stay home by myself. This mom had a son. It was the cutest crush ever, he showed me all of his games, all of his toys, everything. I hung out with his sister all the time only so I could be around this boy that I had a crush on. We eventually grew up and I was old enough to stay home, but my brother was not. He still went to the day care and I had to bring him home. I was going to get him when I saw the boy outside with his arm around this girl. I looked at him and walked away.

Fast forward five years with three years of abuse to December 07.

I took my brother and my mum to the local GameStop to pick up a PS2 or something like that, but we were looking around and we were about to leave and I noticed someone at the counter, it was the boy who lived behind me. And I was the only one who noticed.

A few days later I got a call from someone, I was a little confused at who it was and then he said his name and I almost fell over. It was the boy who lived behind me. We talked and I gave him my cell number and we talked more and more. He invited me over one day, and to my surprise he was still at home. It turns out that he had moved out with the girl from the past and everything got ruined and she turned out to be a bitch, but I already knew that, so he had to move back home. We talked more and hung out more, and one day, on the 20th of December, he asked me to be his girlfriend. It was the best day of my life. On February 22nd, he asked me to marry him. Of course I said yes!

Fast forward to August 08.

The boy told me that he didn't want to get married anymore. Everything was starting to go bad after that.

Fast forward to today.

That is the back story, I think it helps a little understand what I've been through, and that Master's behaviour is pretty much nothing compared to what I've been through, I just need to get over my past and get over my issues because it's just all silly to remember everything that has happened to me, so I need to move on past my past and then Master and I can get better.

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I'm sorry your past was so rough. I really am, makes me cry and hurts my heart to know that you had to go through that. No one should have to suffer like that EVER, and to have to grow up hurting so much just makes my heart break for you.

But you can't just settle. Its not right. Just because it's better than before doesn't mean its right. There is perfection out there and you need to seek it. If your master knows your past he knows he should be holding you and petting you and taking proper care of you. If he doesn't, he should still take care of his pet better. Even if your relationship was NOTHING but pet and Master, he should pay more attention to you.

It hurts me to see people just settle for what they have because its 'better' than what they've had in the past. Out there somewhere is a man that will pull you close every night hold you tight stroke your hair, and tell you how beautiful and wonderful you are. You deserve that. You don't deserve to be ignored like that.

I understand people need a day to themselves every so often to just be left alone and play their games or whatever. Maybe even play them an hour or so a day, but YOU should be his focus. Its such a shame that people do that, and let their love and passion degrade into something so base that they just want to play video games for hours instead of being with their mate.

I can't help but realize I'm ranting again but even still. Its my beliefs. Call me naive. I believe in the fairy tail. I believe in the fire and passion of love. I believe in that warmth and wonderful caress of feeling in love. I believe in the feeling of wanting and needing to be with someone above all else, to the point where sex is just the afterthought of passion.

-sighs-

I'm ranting again.

Just try to think about it. Men are stubborn, if he's not what you want or need you should find something that is. It can be a lonely search, trust me, but I believe in the perfect happy ending.

~Matt

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Unfortunately it's hard to get over years of abuse.
It'll be a baggage you'll be carrying with you.
The trick is not letting it affect your current or future relationships.

But I agree with what everyone's said so far: even though your current Master is better compared to these jerks, it's obvious he's not giving you what you need.
Rather than being miserable or begging a scrap of love from him, isn't it better to be alone to search for someone better, possibly Mr. Right?

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Sweetie, in my world, that's what we call 'settling'.

Tygra is right. Just because he's better, doesn't mean he's good for you.

I've been through the same thing. Years of abuse (not physical because I fight back and have BIG claws) Going from worse to bad to alright to good. Better and better each time. None of them great though. At least, not great for me, maybe they'll be great for someone else.

With each relationship you learn. What you've learned from this one, you will apply to your next search. You'll eventually learn which questions to ask. You'll learn to see things you didn't see before. You will change, you will grow, you will make better decisions for your own future.

Baggage can make it hard to move on. It gets heavy. Perhaps you should think about counseling (on your own, not with your Master) to help unpack those suitcases. You'll always carry something, but you can help make the load lighter.... much much lighter.

Just be careful that you don't end up bitter and cynical (like me).

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everyone has raised valid points.

what everyone wants for you (even him!) is for you to be happy with who you are, and how far you've come from what happened in your past.

if i may be so bold, i'll say that i am going to a psychologist for help with some issues. and it's helping. i've always told everyone to do what's best for them, and lately i haven't been doing that for myself. i refused to acknowledge my problems, and i was making everyone miserable as a result, ESPECIALLY my boyfriend. to the point where it may have ruined our relationship beyond repair. we're both working on making ourselves happy, and getting individual counseling, so that we can try to get to the point we were at when we started dating a little over a year ago. i don't think we ever will get there, because no damage can ever go away completely. but we're trying.

everyone has a difficult past to cope with every day, some just happen to have been dealt a worse hand earlier on. i'm not going to pretend that my situation is any worse than yours. everyone has their own troubles, which often leads to people being understanding of other peoples' problems. but no matter how many probems anyone has ever heard or had, it's never any easier to tell anyone what's going wrong in your life, and it's even harder to tell those problems to a complete stranger, like a psychologist. even harder, perhaps, to express all of it to people you may never meet. so i want to thank you for being open and honest enough to say everything that you've said. your man doesn't realize how lucky he is to have someone like you, who is so trusting and open. not a lot of women are that willing to open up, and i really admire that trait in you.

we are more than our fetishes. you really deserve to be happy, because you are so special and unique and wonderful. you are more than a cat, you are a wonderful woman, and you should be treated as such. and any man who can't appreciate what a great person you are... well... consider what's so great about him, against what has gone wrong. my guess is that the cons will outweigh the pros.

at this point, it makes me sad to say that... i'm not going to say to try and make it work. he's not putting any effort into it, from what i can see. if you think it's worth it, dear, go for it. but if he doesn't see that "he done you wrong" (if you will), then you deserve much better. and i have all the confidence in the world that you're going to find someone who will make you happier than you are now. it may be this guy, it may be someone else.

do what's best for you, what's in your best interest. because you truly deserve happiness.

best of luck to you, hon. i wish you all the happiness in the world.

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I have seen over 5 counselors and nothing. All they do is prescribe me different anti-depressants that don't do a damn thing. I've been on everything and nothing. I haven't seen anyone since what happened to me, only because I'm scared of what he will do to me. I also failed to mention, because it just slipped, how it did is beyond me, it's kind of important, is that the guy who did rape me didn't mention in the beginning of the relationship that he was a registered sex offender and I was 16 and he was 19 at the time. I could have put him away for a long time, but I just can't. I'm to scared that once he gets out he'll come for me and do something horrible.

I'm just running out of options. I don't know what to do. I just want us to get better. If things keep going the way they are, I will just become more detached from him and eventually just stop caring all together and become a shell again.

*sighs* hopefully things go better.

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If they prescribed you meds, then they were psychiatrists.

Not that all of them are bad, but I don't particularly like psychiatrists because the most common solution is to simply throw meds at the person.

Well... since when has Prozac actually resolved an issue? Meds are a band-aid. They don't fix anything.

I suggest a psychologist.
The difference is that a psychiatrist is a medical Dr. and therefore can (and too often do) prescribe medications.
A psychologist is only a Phd. Therefore they spend their time listening and trying to help YOU work through and understand YOUR OWN issues. It's more of a teach a man to fish philosophy*

It can be rather hard to open up to one, though. You can always do a little research on the ones in your area and check out their public record. Many will allow you to come in and meet with them (not for a session, just to meet) and in that time you can ask them a few important questions. The questions you will have to come up with on your own, but use that to help you find the kind of Dr. you need.
For example: Let's say I was struggling over having had an abortion (just an example)... the last thing I would want to do would be to hook up with a Dr. that is likely to make me feel guilty for that. One of the questions I might ask a Dr. that I'm interviewing would be how often do their personal beliefs affect their advice.
A real example would be: How do you feel about BDSM and such related.
Why? Well, it's a big part of my life, so I can't get hooked with a Dr. that's gonna think I'm "sick".
If you go through a good interview process, you're likely to find one you'll find very comfortable talking with.
If you come across one that won't allow you to do a pre-session meet-n-greet... then already you know that they are not the Dr. for you. (and what I would say to the receptionist before I hung up the phone is: so he/she doesn't want me to know what a bad Dr. they are before I've paid, huh?)

But I'm making these suggestions for you to take care of YOU. If it ends up fixing your relationship, GREAT! But the most important part is that it helps you learn to cope with your issues and teaches you the skills needed to deal with others that will come to you in the future.

As for what that guy might do to you....
Don't you worry your pretty little head. There are plenty of ways to take care of that. *grin* Trust me *wink*


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I can't remember where you said you were from, but here's a good site where you can find Kink-Aware Professionals.

http://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=75

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I don't want to repeat over and over what everyone else said. I agree completly...

EXCEPT : I need to make something clear...

There is no mr right, there is no perfect man. There is only those few men in the world that know they are human, that know they **** up, that know they make mistakes BUT they strive to be mr. Right and strive to be the perfect man.

If your searching for mr. Right he's gone afk and you won't get ahold of him. Try looking for someone that will meet your needs and will make you happy for your life and be a HEALTY relationship

There is no mr right, don't settle for mr right now tho...

There is no mr perfect, don't think perfection is only on the outside

There is only men, we suck... Some of us know that and are trying to make a difference

Here is a few things to look for that I know I Strive to do

-open the damn car door/front door... Sheesh it's easy!!
-Make sure everyday no matter what you say WITH WORDS 'I love you' and 'your beatiful/pretty/gorgeous' no matter what
-Go shopping at least once a month, you DONTA HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING just have fun giggling and playing life size dress up
-my personal favorite-- grow some balls and buy her tampons!! Seriosly it's not that big of a deal and means alot to her. Trust me when she runs out late night and you kiss her on the cheak and head out the door and go out of your way to help her.. Even pick up her favorite candy bar! Shell melt!
-If she dresses up or wears makup or if your lucky and she wears something sexy... She's probably not doing it cuz she is comfy... ****in notice her!!! Or at least appriciate the time she spent to do something special for you..
-Ramen noodles and resident evil 4 is not a date... Period
-Listen to her... Christ I can't stress this enough!! God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason USE IT!!!... 2/3 of the time you should be listening.. Not hearing but actually listening
-My biggest pet peeve... I know were guys, we like the womens but if your in a relationship .. THAT IS THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD act like you care about her wait don't act... CARE! Don't drive down the road checking out girls, don't look at porn, I go as far as if there is even a chick on the screen in anything closely resembling nudity or even underwear I look away, your eyes belong to your loved one and your attention in this regaurd should be on her
-Last but not least style is epic.. Get some, and corodination isn't just something you try to do when getting a drunk test, wear some decent clothes!!! Match and shower everyday and you'll be awsome troof

/end soapbox resume normal thread

-- Edited by Remamian at 16:54, 2009-01-10

-- Edited by Remamian at 17:02, 2009-01-10

-- Edited by Remamian at 17:04, 2009-01-10

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He's got a point, and its not just on top of his head *nudges remmy*

No really. What he was was spot on.

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I totally agree with Remamian!
I'm very lucky, Master does all the listed and more.
That's how I know he really cares about me.

Sometimes he'd tell me not to put him on a pedestal regarding him as perfect but I always reply to him "I wasn't seeking a perfect man, I looked for the perfect man for ME".

Which, Kisa dear, is what you should seek for yourself.
There is no Mr. Right or Perfect, but there is certainly someone who is The Mr. Right or Perfect for YOU (I hope you understand the difference?)

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I'm just giving Master time to himself. I've been so bored for the last few days, he messages me every once and a while, but that's about it. So much for an update.

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