Kittenplay Forum now at http://kittenplay.net

Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
http://kittenplay.net -> Kittenplay Forum now at http://kittenplay.net -> Debate -> Gorean, am I missing something?
Post Info TOPIC: Gorean, am I missing something?
MissAbsinthe


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 407
Date:
Gorean, am I missing something?
Permalink Closed

So I've been reading so much gorean related news stuff recently, everything from Slave girls being forced to eat their last meal and dennys, to attempted slave girl murders having "Dishonored their Masters"
Anyway I am a member of a Gorean group in a certain city (I wont say which one, but I lurk in it to read their posts )
And a few days ago a Master posted saying "What is honor and steel?"
And the idea was that all the other Masters would post back explaining what they thought honor and steel was. So then one very brave girl posted, and this is what she posted:

"Most say that kajira do not have honor but we do.  It may not be the same as those free think of it but we honor ourselves but serving.  As this is earth we chose to allow ourselves to be who we are compared to fighting ourselves and being what the rest of society thinks we are.  Each person may see this differently but it is the case no matter who we are.
 
We honor ourselves by alllowing ourselves to be ourselves."

Fair enough I thought, then the Master who owns the group posted back to her infront of everyone saying:

From the strictest point of philosophy, a kajira can own nothing!! And
honor must be owned! That is different from being honest, trustworthy,
or any number of other things that a kajira can be. The problem, as I
stated in my post, is that the modern conception of "honor", as that
word is used in modern society, is often taken to be synonymous with
things like honesty, integrity, trustworthiness, etc., and while all of
that is part of the warrior's honor to his Home Stone, Sword Brothers,
and Pride Chief, true Gorean Honor is a completely different, and
separate, concept entirely. It is a very subtle distinction, but one
that is very important to an in-depth understanding of the Philosophy.
YOU make the very error that I am speaking of in your post. You are
using the term "honor" as modern society understands it, not as Norman
intended for it to be understood. In truth, a kajira CAN NEVER have honor,
at least not REAL Gorean Honor. You have dishonored us by making this post!"

Anyway this guy blabbers on for abit more, then he finishes up with:
"Man may not have the knowledge
today, but as time goes on more is understood and known, and one day, we
may reach the understanding of our Priest Kings."
The Priest Kings!? For those of you that don't know, the priest kings were a bunch of giant insect like aliens who rulled over Gor from a mountain in the man's books. But you are seriously telling me that you believe in them!? I can understand your strange need for honor, but you want me to take this group seriously and attend real group meetings each month with the knowledge that you openly believe insect aliens are hiding up on some mountain somewhere?

Sorry for that rant ;p
What is your view on Gor?

__________________
Absinthe is the aphrodisiac of the soul
cobalt neko


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 50
Date:
Permalink Closed

ok i have my problems with ninety nine percent of the goreans i have come across most take the writings a russian proffesor who had his students write up a bunch of term papers and slapped them together in to a series of books after doing some revisions . another problem i have is  they treat it like it is a religous text or worse. there are to many egotisitcal well yeah need i say more. now if you look at the books and look at them as more of guide lines or a refference book to help you be a better Master that is not too bad. but if you are shoving your opinions down someones throat like a missionary trying to get someone to find god when they are not a christian is down right wrong and stupid in my opinion. dont get me wrong gor has some very beautiful aspects but if you take anything too literal you destroy that beauty and turn it into a pile of crap not worth a second glance.


looks back at what he wrote and thinks he rambled a wee bit~

__________________
=^_^= neko =^_^=
Jennaia


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:
Permalink Closed

Gor, its a lot, its an idea a concept sometimes a hope it will come true. But even if you negate this all its one thing in the end for as long as time goes. A Story. No more no less.
It may be fun to play a Gorean. I can say from me, that I have fun with my gorean character. But we are no Goreans. We are Earthlings. We can't change this and so we should play this with a proper mind in our head.

And its the best not to respond to people who overdo it.

Gor is RP, like every RP on earth.

__________________
Think of names like Jeremaia if you are unsure, how to read mine.
Love and Hate are keeping the world turning. (And little kittens chasing their own tail or each other.)
luannablue


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 84
Date:
Permalink Closed

M: i will have to wait till emily gets home and have her type my responce so that the spelling isnt as bad :)

__________________


                
Bestia Vinco


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 228
Date:
Permalink Closed

Well I would be worried about hanging around anyone that thinks the Priest Kings are real.

I've not read all the Gor books, I got up around seven or nine and gave up. The idea of Gor is nice, but I think the writer only had one or two good stories in him that he tried to streatch into a hundred. It all became redundent after awhile.

As far as a slaves ablity to have honor, I think they can. If a slave were to go against her masters wishes then I think its safe to say that she has "dishonored" him. So if a slave can show dishonor then she can also show honor.



__________________
Bestia Vinco
w1ntermute


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 201
Date:
Permalink Closed

All I can say to that guy is maybe the insects and xenu hang out together in their crazy cult moon universe. People believing this stuff for real is a joke and a half.

I'm not into Gor in the least, but at least take it for what it is: RP.

__________________
Saberrah's Owner
______________
if you call cutting your pay to 249,999 bucks to avoid a tax cut going to galt's gulch, i'll call wearing a che shirt bought from hot topic a violent communist coup
kisa


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 123
Date:
Permalink Closed

While i do like some of the ideals coming from the books, i don't understand the cult behind it. i can understand taking the books as a sort of gorean outline for a M/s relationship but people have to realize that the books themselves are just fiction.

__________________
"a warm little kitten can melt an ice-cold heart"

*needs to get Master to join* any suggestions?
Faete


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 368
Date:
Permalink Closed

I have no problem with goreans in general. I think that most groups of people with have one or two eccentrics like the guy you mentioned.

I like some of the philosophies, and I love the positions, and some of the protocols... But I am in agreement with everyone else. It's just a roleplay, and at the end of the day it's not really practical to be a 24/7 gorean..

__________________
My kink is not your kink, but your kink is OK.

Macula's Red Vinyl Kitty for over 5 years and counting...
MissAbsinthe


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 407
Date:
Permalink Closed

Faete wrote:

I have no problem with goreans in general. I think that most groups of people with have one or two eccentrics like the guy you mentioned.

I like some of the philosophies, and I love the positions, and some of the protocols... But I am in agreement with everyone else. It's just a roleplay, and at the end of the day it's not really practical to be a 24/7 gorean..



 I think I'm pretty much of the same opinion on the matter.



__________________
Absinthe is the aphrodisiac of the soul
Matt-Sama


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 78
Date:
Permalink Closed

Shy of letting lose on my over abundance of issues with the Gorean style, much less the masters who practice it so vehemently, I'm just going to say. I despise Goreans. I've almost never found one that I get along with.

I believe that it two people truly wish to engage in it let them. But master's like the one you mentioned above, I'd just like five minutes alone with them.

Before I go off on a rant that would likely offend half the people here in one way or another and make me seem really closed minded. I'm sorry, I hate Gorean.

-Matt

__________________
Pleasure can be used for punishment, even more so than the whip. Pleasure can torture more than the lash, and it is this which drives me to excell
Saberrah


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 350
Date:
Permalink Closed

Matt-Sama wrote:

Shy of letting lose on my over abundance of issues with the Gorean style, much less the masters who practice it so vehemently, I'm just going to say. I despise Goreans. I've almost never found one that I get along with.

I believe that it two people truly wish to engage in it let them. But master's like the one you mentioned above, I'd just like five minutes alone with them.

Before I go off on a rant that would likely offend half the people here in one way or another and make me seem really closed minded. I'm sorry, I hate Gorean.

-Matt



 DITTO! *Nods vehmetly*



__________________
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Keep your mind open, and always be willing to learn.
~Stray~
w1ntermute


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 201
Date:
Permalink Closed

The fact of the matter is, Gor is a fictional concept in a series of books. I think proper RP or appreciation of whatever might be in those books could be made with a comparison to any other fictionalized universe such as Star Trek or some other idealized fictional universe.

Notice how I said fictional? Klingon RPers probably don't slay other Klingon RPers because they were dishonored in 'battle'. You don't actually get promoted in some kind of united federation of planets (lol) for navigating a particularly difficult nebula.



Welcome to the place where we separate the real world from fiction.

__________________
Saberrah's Owner
______________
if you call cutting your pay to 249,999 bucks to avoid a tax cut going to galt's gulch, i'll call wearing a che shirt bought from hot topic a violent communist coup
Matt-Sama


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 78
Date:
Permalink Closed

W1nterMute.... I love you

__________________
Pleasure can be used for punishment, even more so than the whip. Pleasure can torture more than the lash, and it is this which drives me to excell
Temko


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 109
Date:
Permalink Closed

i've read all i could find about Gor and Gorean "bdsm". and i cant realy say yes or no either way.

from all the books and all the websites dedicated to Gorean culture i came across 2 that explained to me Gorean in the same way i have come to udnerstand Bondage, S&M, D/s, petplay and other fetishes.

"Go only as far as you are comfortable with".

from the side of those (both male and female) who enjoy the gorean lifestyle i can not but say that those woman are the epitome of a submissive. i cant speak for those men, as they range from weakminded idiots that need full controll to truly dominant men that demand it.
either one is bad and there can be said something for all of it. but having already said what i did above i belive that a Kajira needs a master. she does not chose one becouse she feels it is right. she needs one. she needs someone in her life to tell what, how, when and where to do it. she needs to know that there is someone that is responsible for her life.

.. on the other end of the spectrum the master needs to know that his Kajira is his. some do this by testing them with harshness others allow them more freedom.

the problem i see with many "practicions" of Gorean is that they have taken to the most extreme way there is in all of the books, and sadly, after book 10-12 most of it IS exactly that. it's to bad, the first 8 or so books were a great and amazing read into a wonderously detailed world.

in the early books it is clearly stated and shown that many kajira wile fully under the thumb of their master enjoy a great degree of freedom. both physical as well as emotional.

yet it seems that most of those who do here on "earth" seem to have lost this and instead focus on the S&M aspects of the lifestyle instead of the D/s aspects that were always more prevailant in all of Gor.


that said i could never practive a gorean lifestyle for 2 simple reasons:

1 - Finding a Kajira that trusts so fully in me is not only hard, it's nearly impossible.
2 - Gor is also a very public lifestyle and one that would never fit in our society.

hence i can not understand how others would can practice it.

sure you can call yourself a gorean master but as clearly seen in hte psot my missA - there are some nutjobs :P (then again, i'm a nutjob as well). if i ever meet someone who is capable to living a the life of a Kajira i would not blink before having htem over my shoulder and in my house. but i would never allow myself to become to convulted with "dominance" that i forget the fact that she has placed her LIFE in my hands.

in short:

I dispise people that lose sight of their Kajira's feelings in the matter, i am discusted by people that fall so far into a single way to thinking that they lose track of anything else and i HATE people that preach about things they have no way of knowing except by imaginging it true (yes i hate organised religion)

That said, i have a simple agreement becouse it's emotionaly quite hard for me to shift back and forth. my wife has a knife, a long hollow point puncturing dagger, a single stasb from that in any vital part means certain death. i gave her that knife the day she accepted to be my sub with a simple order "if ever i cross the line we have set - stab me". so far so good :P

__________________
-
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.
http://kittenplay.net -> Kittenplay Forum now at http://kittenplay.net -> Debate -> Gorean, am I missing something?


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse 		Powered by ActiveBoard