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KittenMaster · Veteran Member

Punishment

Love_Bunny · Veteran Member

Ah yes, punishment. I cannot lie... I'm a bit of a sadist. I enjoy terrible things :P

For kitten play i was thinking more gentle means of persuasion, much like with my cats. When they do something that could be considered wrong I put them in a cage or outside. Outside almost seems like a treat sometimes, but they KNOW they've done something wrong when we have to put them in the cage. I was thinking of trying to find an oversized pet carrier... it would just be good times and a place to put Kitty when she's been really bad. No toys, no treats. just the essentials until she's served her time.

Bestia Vinco · Senior Member

The only punishment I've done long distance involves clothes pins. (the ones with springs)

The problem with this or any long distance punishment is that you need a pet that behaves well enough to actually do the punishment you give them.

For this one I would tell her where to place the pins on her body. She would not be allowed to remove them till I gave permission.

The pins should be placed on sensitive areas ofcourse. On breasts, around nipples, on nipples, vagina.

There is pain for her when she puts them on, and also when she takes them off and the blood comes back into the places where the pins had been.

You can also have some fun with this in person. Place some around each breast and then make a game of seeing how many you can bounce off during sex without touching them. Each time her breasts bounce she will have little jolts of pain from each one.

-- Edited by Bestia Vinco at 01:47, 2008-07-19

DaddysTouch · Veteran Member

I don't think the more common BDSM punishments such as spanking, flogging are very applicable to kitty play. What noise does a cat make when it's getting spanked?

I think more appropriate punishments would be shutting kitty in a wardrobe or box, tying kitty up to something with a leash (especially outside), making kitty go to the toilet outside instead of using the 'litterbox' (I'd not be into an actual litterbox, so that'd b kitty-time word for toilet :P), removing kitty's nice collar and putting on a 'bad' one, depriving kitty of favoured toys or objects, changing from nice food to not-nice food, milk to water, and so on...

Sometimes, I find that in 'vanilla' BDSM some things demand not only (or perhaps not at all) a deliberate, played out form of punishment like spanking or shutting up in a wardrobe, but rather an immediate response - most commonly a slap in the face. If a real cat, say, clawed you, you probably wouldn't slap it in the face. You'd probably (if you were going to physically chastise it) kick it in the side or stomach. That could be incorporated into kitty play... not sure about safety though. I've never kicked a sub before, I would be concerned about cracking a rib or something...

MasterMorhion · Veteran Member

KittenMaster wrote:

Let us speak of punishments.

As a rule, I do not believe in punishing pets (human or otherwise), even when they misbehave. Anyone who has owned a cat knows that there is little sense in "training" kittens.

However, we can train little girls (and boys) to be kittens. And punishment is then reserved for unruly slavegirls who do not behave as a kitten should.

So I am interested in ideas for behavior modification techniques appropriate to kitten play. I am especially interested in idea for kittens who are geographically distant.

To be honest kittenmaster, I've been thinking of this very thing. Not that I need to do it mind you, but in case such a situation were to arise, what would be proper punishment to help guide and teach a proper kitten. I would like to know as much as you would, and if I'm able to find a good solution that works, I will definetly let you know ^ ^

Macula · Member

Everyone knows you spray a cat with water when they're bad. ;) You can always pick them and move them someplace less inconvenient if they're in your way, not that they'll stay out of your way long.

On getting kitties to do what you want, sometimes you need to lure them into what you want. Laser pointers are a quick convenient way to distract a overly enthusiastic kitty who is getting in to mischief.

MissAbsinthe · Senior Member

DaddysTouch wrote:

I don't think the more common BDSM punishments such as spanking, flogging are very applicable to kitty play. What noise does a cat make when it's getting spanked?

I think more appropriate punishments would be shutting kitty in a wardrobe or box, tying kitty up to something with a leash (especially outside), making kitty go to the toilet outside instead of using the 'litterbox' (I'd not be into an actual litterbox, so that'd b kitty-time word for toilet :P), removing kitty's nice collar and putting on a 'bad' one, depriving kitty of favoured toys or objects, changing from nice food to not-nice food, milk to water, and so on...

Sometimes, I find that in 'vanilla' BDSM some things demand not only (or perhaps not at all) a deliberate, played out form of punishment like spanking or shutting up in a wardrobe, but rather an immediate response - most commonly a slap in the face. If a real cat, say, clawed you, you probably wouldn't slap it in the face. You'd probably (if you were going to physically chastise it) kick it in the side or stomach. That could be incorporated into kitty play... not sure about safety though. I've never kicked a sub before, I would be concerned about cracking a rib or something...

Sorry I just had to speak out about this one.
"you'd probably (if you were going to physically chastise it) kick it in the side or stomach. That could be incorporated into kitty play... not sure about safety though"

You would be right not to be sure about safety on that one, kicking should never be dispensed as a punishment, in an form of bdsm play, kicking especially if you are kicking on a frame of a woman that is often much smaller than you, can have disastrous effects, anything from severe external bruising to internal bleeding, as well as the possibility of bone fracture or complete breaking.
The point about bdsm punishments are that they are always controlled and spoken about beforehand, the Master will always explain what he is about to do to the slave and why he is doing it before proceeding with it. Even when people have large metal hooks pierced through their skin and are hung from the ceiling, that is done with precise and amazing control, with medical staff always on hand. Kicking is something you can't really control in this manner, it's a physical quick reaction, often in response to something, as you said, being clawed etc.
As a Master, you must never strike in anger, or reaction, you must always wait until your anger has subsided then strike in guidance and positive correction.
This is the difference between a woman beater and an owner, one strikes out of anger, and the other out of love.

And on a side note, I wouldn't advise to kick a real cat either, as they are twice as small as us, and twice as vulnerable (and most importantly, they aren't consenting consensual adults), in reality you just shouldn't ever physically harm an animal, especially in anger, full stop.

I also realise you are obviously aware of this, and that as you said
"if you were going to physically chastise it"
Meaning you personally would not take this action, but I just wanted to post this to nip it in the bud incase anyone else was thinking of taking this advise.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and putting up with my blabbering ;p
Kindest regards all.
Miss A.

-- Edited by MissAbsinthe at 11:53, 2008-07-19

Faete · Senior Member

Macula wrote:

Everyone knows you spray a cat with water when they're bad. ;)

BOO!

KittenMaster · Veteran Member

Macula wrote:

Everyone knows you spray a cat with water when they're bad. ;)

Ah... watersports ;)

KittenMaster · Veteran Member

*reads Miss Absinthes post*

Extremely wise post... Kicking pets is bad. Spanking pets is good. But spraying pets with fluids even better!

I'm thoroughly pleased with your advice, my darling kitten... but shouldn't you be chasing a ball of yarn or something. :P

Faete · Senior Member

MissAbsinthe wrote:

You would be right not to be sure about safety on that one, kicking should never be dispensed as a punishment
-- Edited by MissAbsinthe at 11:53, 2008-07-19

Agree 100%. No kicking. No kicking at all! ;)

Although, you also mention real cats being twice as small as us.. Unless you are only about 4 feet tall.. Probably you're more like three or four times the size of a real kitty. ;)

And BOO to the water bottle. I hate getting squirted. :( (But I will admit, it doesn't really deter me from most of my bad behaviour. lol)

Crystal · Senior Member

Nothing on this planet upsets me more than having my face blown on and that's His responce to me when I'm being annoying.

That has no possible ways of getting hurt attatched to it.

DaddysTouch · Veteran Member

MissAbsinthe wrote:

DaddysTouch wrote:

I don't think the more common BDSM punishments such as spanking, flogging are very applicable to kitty play. What noise does a cat make when it's getting spanked?

I think more appropriate punishments would be shutting kitty in a wardrobe or box, tying kitty up to something with a leash (especially outside), making kitty go to the toilet outside instead of using the 'litterbox' (I'd not be into an actual litterbox, so that'd b kitty-time word for toilet :P), removing kitty's nice collar and putting on a 'bad' one, depriving kitty of favoured toys or objects, changing from nice food to not-nice food, milk to water, and so on...

Sometimes, I find that in 'vanilla' BDSM some things demand not only (or perhaps not at all) a deliberate, played out form of punishment like spanking or shutting up in a wardrobe, but rather an immediate response - most commonly a slap in the face. If a real cat, say, clawed you, you probably wouldn't slap it in the face. You'd probably (if you were going to physically chastise it) kick it in the side or stomach. That could be incorporated into kitty play... not sure about safety though. I've never kicked a sub before, I would be concerned about cracking a rib or something...

Sorry I just had to speak out about this one.
"you'd probably (if you were going to physically chastise it) kick it in the side or stomach. That could be incorporated into kitty play... not sure about safety though"

You would be right not to be sure about safety on that one, kicking should never be dispensed as a punishment, in an form of bdsm play, kicking especially if you are kicking on a frame of a woman that is often much smaller than you, can have disastrous effects, anything from severe external bruising to internal bleeding, as well as the possibility of bone fracture or complete breaking.
The point about bdsm punishments are that they are always controlled and spoken about beforehand, the Master will always explain what he is about to do to the slave and why he is doing it before proceeding with it. Even when people have large metal hooks pierced through their skin and are hung from the ceiling, that is done with precise and amazing control, with medical staff always on hand. Kicking is something you can't really control in this manner, it's a physical quick reaction, often in response to something, as you said, being clawed etc.
As a Master, you must never strike in anger, or reaction, you must always wait until your anger has subsided then strike in guidance and positive correction.
This is the difference between a woman beater and an owner, one strikes out of anger, and the other out of love.

And on a side note, I wouldn't advise to kick a real cat either, as they are twice as small as us, and twice as vulnerable (and most importantly, they aren't consenting consensual adults), in reality you just shouldn't ever physically harm an animal, especially in anger, full stop.

I also realise you are obviously aware of this, and that as you said
"if you were going to physically chastise it"
Meaning you personally would not take this action, but I just wanted to post this to nip it in the bud incase anyone else was thinking of taking this advise.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and putting up with my blabbering ;p
Kindest regards all.
Miss A.

-- Edited by MissAbsinthe at 11:53, 2008-07-19

Good post, and I agree about kicking. And no, I wouldn't kick a cat. Neither would I kick a sub/slave/kitty/etc. Not least because I wouldn't get off on it and don't think it would be a terribly effective punishment, even if it were safe.

Can't say I agree 100% in not using 'reactionary' chastisement such as a face slap though. Personally, I just don't get angry very often. And my anger would never make me hit a sub, no more than anger would make me hit a co-worker or friend. If I hit a sub it's because a) they have consented in a general fashion to be in a relationship where I can do so and b) either we are playing or she has comitted some transgression (perhaps through inaction or inadequate performance) that requires it. I do my best to make sure punishment only occurs when it is genuinely needed (or is mutally desired for fun). If I did make a mistake (and I have, though not with face slapping itself) I would hope that firstly I would take pains to 'make it right' with the sub, and secondly, that she would forgive her - just as I would forgive her if she failed at a task having tried her best.

Personally I think it has its advantages. Sitting down with a sun and explaining why she's about to receive X strokes of the crop is great, but sometimes the sudden shock of a slap to the face is priceless in immediately correcting behaviour, in a brief moment changing the subs mindset from 'brat' to '****, I was being a bitch, I'm sorry'.

Just my 0.02p.

Chilledice · Senior Member

DaddysTouch wrote:

Good post, and I agree about kicking. And no, I wouldn't kick a cat. Neither would I kick a sub/slave/kitty/etc. Not least because I wouldn't get off on it and don't think it would be a terribly effective punishment, even if it were safe.

Can't say I agree 100% in not using 'reactionary' chastisement such as a face slap though. Personally, I just don't get angry very often. And my anger would never make me hit a sub, no more than anger would make me hit a co-worker or friend. If I hit a sub it's because a) they have consented in a general fashion to be in a relationship where I can do so and b) either we are playing or she has comitted some transgression (perhaps through inaction or inadequate performance) that requires it. I do my best to make sure punishment only occurs when it is genuinely needed (or is mutally desired for fun). If I did make a mistake (and I have, though not with face slapping itself) I would hope that firstly I would take pains to 'make it right' with the sub, and secondly, that she would forgive her - just as I would forgive her if she failed at a task having tried her best.

Personally I think it has its advantages. Sitting down with a sun and explaining why she's about to receive X strokes of the crop is great, but sometimes the sudden shock of a slap to the face is priceless in immediately correcting behaviour, in a brief moment changing the subs mindset from 'brat' to '****, I was being a bitch, I'm sorry'.

Just my 0.02p.

I'm glad that we all agree that kicking subs+animals=Bad

But I dont think I can agree with using 'reactionary' punishment, Anger can make us do things that we wouldnt expect of ourselves, and to me, a face slap just seems like the thin end of the wedge, if you slapped your sub spontaneously for a punishment how do you know that one day, your fist wouldn't be closed?

I am not saying that just because you are spontaneous you must be a horrible person, but pre-mediated punishment is often much more suitable in my opinion. Talking rationally to your sub and explaining what they have done wrong and then applying punishment is much better at improving future behaviour in my experience than just instant punishment. The other risk that sudden slapping can pose is that you cannot tell what your subs reaction will be, they may have had a genuine reason to "misbehave" which you have not realised, and it is very difficult to take back a hit once the blow has been landed.

Overall, I am not saying that what you do is wrong - it saying YKINOK is the most close minded thing anyone can say- but I think spontaneous punishment should be used very carefully, and always consentually.

I am sure everyone else will have an opinion too.

Back on topic webcams can be a very effective means of applying punishment, a master can ensure that their sub carries through the punishment, as well as feeling more connected with eachother.. Ordering your sub to do something is much more entertaing when they can look into your eyes at the same time.

imissmanny · Senior Member

Wow you all need to talk to tim and teach him to punish right.... he punishes me by tickling me !

Chilledice · Senior Member

imissmanny wrote:

Wow you all need to talk to tim and teach him to punish right.... he punishes me by tickling me !

Punishments are there to deter you from an action, if tickling you stops you from doing whatever your master doesnt want you to do, isnt that an effective punishment?

imissmanny · Senior Member

its an evil punishment! someone should call the authorities!

Chilledice · Senior Member

imissmanny wrote:

its an evil punishment! someone should call the authorities!

there should be a "Society for the protection against cruelty to kittenplayers".. If all else fails, scratch the sofa when he isnt looking smile

imissmanny · Senior Member

Naah when he tickles me I lick his face... he hates that hehe :3

kisa-chan · Veteran Member

Master always pulls on my collar, not enough to choke me, but enough to get my attention, then he makes me lay on the bed until I can get up and play. Or some days he takes my litterbox away and makes me hold it for a little bit (we are also into watersports so we include it like that as well). He also taps me on the nose and tells me "No!"

Joli Minou · Senior Member

kisa-chan wrote:

Master always pulls on my collar, not enough to choke me, but enough to get my attention, then he makes me lay on the bed until I can get up and play. Or some days he takes my litterbox away and makes me hold it for a little bit (we are also into watersports so we include it like that as well). He also taps me on the nose and tells me "No!"

That's neat, actually. (Cute, even. Is that weird? O.o Lol.) Not anything I'd ever think of, to be honest. Your Master seems to be a very creative one. ^^

DaddysTouch · Veteran Member

I thought it was cute too.

*scribbles ideas in notebook*

KittyBoyMuffin · Veteran Member

Not that I've had any direct experience, but I think that having a proper punishment-attitude will go a reasonably long way. There should be "I'm dominating you for fun, by whatever definition we have," and it should be visibly and openly distinct from "You are being punished, and this is a Bad Thing." If you don't make it different enough, or treat it like just another part of normal play, the kitten might learn that "punishment = the same as normal play" and might even make the bad behavior worse.

I have a theory that, if you normally do spanking, you could change it into a punishment solely by having a different attitude when you do it for that purpose. ;)

Jynx Darkitten · Senior Member

mistress devi only punishes me if i do somthing bad like go out of comand and seek more things it hurts but it gets my attention i dont blame her

Nekogirl1988 · Senior Member

eep! no kicking!

GAH! i hate being squirted ! specially with cold water QwQ....